It feels like it has been forever since we had the opportunity to sit down with John Leone from ROAK, and it was four years ago on Episode 22. No longer the new guy on the block as they enter their fifth year, we take the opportunity to catch up. He brings in new President of ROAK and Dark Horse (now named Michigan Brewers Union) and we get a historical look on his journey through craft beer at Dogfish Head, BrewDog USA, and Virtue Cider. John uses the opportunity to clear the air about some misconceptions happening with the merger of the two breweries, we discuss in short what happened with the Right Brain buyout, and Adam chats about what we should see upcoming for the two breweries in the next few years. We also try some amazing ROAK beer!

00:00- Introductions
05:34- Introduction to Adam Lambert
10:30- Cent’Anni Review
16:14- Dark Horse Acquisition
22:08- Craft Beer Loyalty
29:10- Michigan’s Craft Beer Problem
40:56- Mint Milkshake IPA Review
44:40- Upcoming Changes at Dark Horse
55:20- Drinking At Home
57:54- Beer Crazes and IPA Builds
1:11:34- Giving Your Old Self Wisdom
1:14:03- Right Brain Buyout Falling Through
1:17:26- Beer Festival Fatigue
1:28:43- Blow Your Face Out Review
1:32:53- Final Thoughts

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A craft beer fan since 19, used to look for your non-regular beers on frequent trips to downtown Windsor with friends, at 21 Ken basically took over an entire refrigerator with monthly visits to Merchants. With 5 years of podcasting prior, Ken decided to create the brand and show Better on Draft in the spring of 2015, and began creating his dream of a beer-centric website that wasn't too full of itself. He now runs the board and does a lot of the back office stuff while the show goes on, keeping everyone in line, and the beer flowing!

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Beer Review: French Toast Devil Dog (ROAK Brewing Co.) - Better On Draft · September 8, 2022 at 11:07 am

[…] ICYMI: ROAK acquired Dark Horse in 2019. We had Adam Lambert and John Leone on in early 2020 to talk about the deal and the future of both brands on Episode 210 of Better on Draft. […]

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